What to do sports-wise? The girls have dance. The boys have nuthin'. As I mentioned, we're not necessarily sports people, although we've dabbled in every thing a parent can sign a kid up for. Scott is athletic, but when he was a kid, all the boys started city league sports when they were old enough to coordinate their arms and legs. The teams were stacked even back then (Warden), but all the boys generally played all the sports, they got pretty good at them and pretty much just played whatever sport was in season.
I think times have changed. Boys start playing organized sports long before their bodies are capable. Some boys develop coordination earlier, of course, and some families have more of a culture of sports, so the stronger, more experienced kids are differentiated by the time the kids are in kindergarten. Those boys eventually go on to comp leagues, while the rest of the kids play in city leagues year after year, where the organization is pathetic and none of the kids have a clue what is going on...because the kids who like/are good at the sport are in the competition leagues. Whenever my kids have tried soccer, and they all have, I've felt like a guest in someone else's house. It's not us! I am good at polite applause at Capitol Theater, not shouting from a camp chair on a grassy field wearing a baseball cap and holding a bottle of water and a golden retriever's leash.
My cute nephew who is Tolly's age, the youngest of five boys, can dribble a soccer ball across the back yard and score a goal in the net they have set up. He is amazing! The only ball at our house has Buzz Lightyear on it and is lost in the gully. Ptolemy is doomed, and he's only two. Scott keeps saying it's not too late, that he didn't get his athleticism until later. But, like I said, it's a different world.
Last year, Freestone was on one of the worst baseball teams in the city. Some of the other teams were full of older boys who played in comp leagues and joined the city league for fun. They "played down" a couple of grade levels so they could play against the younger kids, ensuring themselves dominance. Those teams got ample opportunity to bat because none of them ever struck out. Our team, on the other hand, was often three up, three out. The best boys from each team get a letter from their city league coach, an invitation to try out for a comp team. How can you expect normal boys to get a letter when they're playing against older, more experienced players who are using them for batting practice?
Jim Rome would rip me apart for this argument, I'm sure. He would point out that the kids who succeed in sports have parents who care, which is true. Like Shinichi Suzuki said, "It was a result of circumstance that he played the violin. Whether or not he liked it was not the question." Meaning that if kids are exposed to sports as part of their lives and expected to participate on teams, if their parents have a plan, they will succeed. Now I feel like I have done Freestone a disservice by not having a plan. Kids hardly ever "want" to stick with something. As soon as it's hard or there is something more fun to do, they quit, given the chance. Freestone brought home a paper from the French Immersion program that said, "I am here because..." Freestone filled in, "...my mom sind me up." That's the only reason the kid goes anywhere. His mom signs him up. He says his favorite sport is Wii sports resort. If there were a sport that I was truly committed to, he would be doing that sport whether he liked it or not. He was on a swim team for a year and whined to quit all the time. I made him stick it our for a year out of principle, but I just felt like a fish out of water in that environment, so he didn't go back the next year. I feel a little guilty to this day because it could have been something that would keep him fit and strong.
My question is, if there isn't something sports-oriented that Scott and I feel strongly about, do we just choose one so Freestone has an arena where he can develop a skill and a work ethic? I have no problem making my kids practice every day and go to every ballet class because I know the endgame. But swim team? Rinky-dink baseball team? Do I care? Is it worth it? Answer this final question: Is playing the violin and focusing on academics enough to build character in a boy, or do I need to direct him into a sport and stick with it? And which one? Parents of boys, speak to me!
I think times have changed. Boys start playing organized sports long before their bodies are capable. Some boys develop coordination earlier, of course, and some families have more of a culture of sports, so the stronger, more experienced kids are differentiated by the time the kids are in kindergarten. Those boys eventually go on to comp leagues, while the rest of the kids play in city leagues year after year, where the organization is pathetic and none of the kids have a clue what is going on...because the kids who like/are good at the sport are in the competition leagues. Whenever my kids have tried soccer, and they all have, I've felt like a guest in someone else's house. It's not us! I am good at polite applause at Capitol Theater, not shouting from a camp chair on a grassy field wearing a baseball cap and holding a bottle of water and a golden retriever's leash.
My cute nephew who is Tolly's age, the youngest of five boys, can dribble a soccer ball across the back yard and score a goal in the net they have set up. He is amazing! The only ball at our house has Buzz Lightyear on it and is lost in the gully. Ptolemy is doomed, and he's only two. Scott keeps saying it's not too late, that he didn't get his athleticism until later. But, like I said, it's a different world.
Last year, Freestone was on one of the worst baseball teams in the city. Some of the other teams were full of older boys who played in comp leagues and joined the city league for fun. They "played down" a couple of grade levels so they could play against the younger kids, ensuring themselves dominance. Those teams got ample opportunity to bat because none of them ever struck out. Our team, on the other hand, was often three up, three out. The best boys from each team get a letter from their city league coach, an invitation to try out for a comp team. How can you expect normal boys to get a letter when they're playing against older, more experienced players who are using them for batting practice?
Jim Rome would rip me apart for this argument, I'm sure. He would point out that the kids who succeed in sports have parents who care, which is true. Like Shinichi Suzuki said, "It was a result of circumstance that he played the violin. Whether or not he liked it was not the question." Meaning that if kids are exposed to sports as part of their lives and expected to participate on teams, if their parents have a plan, they will succeed. Now I feel like I have done Freestone a disservice by not having a plan. Kids hardly ever "want" to stick with something. As soon as it's hard or there is something more fun to do, they quit, given the chance. Freestone brought home a paper from the French Immersion program that said, "I am here because..." Freestone filled in, "...my mom sind me up." That's the only reason the kid goes anywhere. His mom signs him up. He says his favorite sport is Wii sports resort. If there were a sport that I was truly committed to, he would be doing that sport whether he liked it or not. He was on a swim team for a year and whined to quit all the time. I made him stick it our for a year out of principle, but I just felt like a fish out of water in that environment, so he didn't go back the next year. I feel a little guilty to this day because it could have been something that would keep him fit and strong.
My question is, if there isn't something sports-oriented that Scott and I feel strongly about, do we just choose one so Freestone has an arena where he can develop a skill and a work ethic? I have no problem making my kids practice every day and go to every ballet class because I know the endgame. But swim team? Rinky-dink baseball team? Do I care? Is it worth it? Answer this final question: Is playing the violin and focusing on academics enough to build character in a boy, or do I need to direct him into a sport and stick with it? And which one? Parents of boys, speak to me!
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I will be interested to read the comments on this one. We are in the same boat. Jackson's sport of choice is "therapy" :) and Collin is still dabbling in a few things to see if we can find a good fit. This sweet natured boy has a hard time getting in there and in the words of Annalee, the cheerleader, "Get Aggressive... get, get aggressive!" :) Size is not on Collin's side. But... we've enjoyed the three day camps at Sportsplex. We did basketball and football. This gave Collin a taste of each sport. I guess I should have signed him up for city rec football this year to see if he liked it. Anyway.... yes people, share your opinions.
Thats a tough one. All my nephews do baseball, soccer, tennis (in summer) & ski in the winter. But they all enjoy those things & want to do them. I think they do need something especially through the highschool years. I will ask my sisters what they thing about this for you. Have you tried tennis? I know 8 is a really great age to start tennis cooridnation wise they finally have it.
I can't wait to hear either. With twin boys who are two and their own social circle I haven't even thought about what I am going to do with them. So I will be checking back on this one. By the way...CONGRATULATIONS on #7. Your amazing!
I insisted each of my boys play each sport until they at least knew the rules and how to play the game. So they have played each sport in city league. My 2 older boys were not interested in any of the sports and I figured if they are not at all interested why should I torture myself? James is in 10th grade and has run cross country for the past 3 years and loves it. Matthew is so athletic and hates every sport. I feel like he just needs to get a little older and find something that's right for him. Isaac loves sports and wants to sign up for everything. He is the kid I will be following around from game to game. Jacob is 5 and I have not yet signed him up for anything. Next year (1st grade) he will play all the sports that city league offers. On a side note my sis-in-laws sister didn't start running track until late in high school and went to BYU on a track scholarship. They found she was not burned out like the other girls who had been training all their lives and she had way less injury than the other girls because her body hadn't been under that stress for so long. So never say never. Good luck. You'll make the right decision for your boys. And congratulations on baby #7.
My personal opinion, and many may disagree, is that socially it helps boys to be able to play basketball. Not that they have to be a superstar or even have played on city or comp teams, but just enough that they can hold their own. When boys/men play a pick-up sport it's most often basketball over many of the other sports. But having french speaking musicians is a great way to go too!:)
Sign him up for fencing. The sword is like an extension of the wii remote.
I like the track idea....you don't need to worry about it until later, and DHS has such a good track team..and with Felshaw's genes it's bound to be their sport! If you decide to do tennis, I hear Lagoon has a good teacher at their courts now.
Ok Circe I (we) are super into sports but really how can I not be.. I say the end game is really the same as with ballet. It teaches them lifelong skills..how to work with other people, how to handle disappointment and success. How to balance their time and in the end become a successful adult and have had fun getting there. It can be too competitive I agree but dance can be the same way? You just have to look at if a little differently. As long as he is ok with violin I think you are fine but socially I think they will be accepted better if they have some sport ability. My boys all play the piano because I think music is important but they also play pretty much every sport out there. They will never be concert pianists because that isn't our focus but they will be able to play and read music. Tyler hated basketball and I decided that I am not going to make him play again until he wants to but I want him to be able to. I say you have to choose the sport you and him like the best and just go with it. If he doesn't want to and is happy with violin don't worry about it, just don't let him be forgotten.
This is tricky. My husband maintains that when our children express interest in something, we'll get them involved. I say they may never develop an interest UNLESS they're involved -- and by then, as you so articulately stated, they're up against kids who have been doing it all their lives. But is that so bad? Not really. Emma, as you know, started ballet quite late, but she's really learned to measure her own progress against only herself.
Aside from one Junior Jazz session, I've never done sports leagues with my kids, but have done skills camps. One reason for not doing the leagues is the uncertainty of scheduling. You sign your child up for a specific day that fits your schedule. Then the coach calls and says "Oh, we're practicing at a different time/day." Never mind all the different games. I can't deviate from my own afternoon/evening music lesson schedule, for that is what pays for classes. It's frustrating.
All in all, I wouldn't worry too much if Freestone is happy. He has a fabulous imagination and seems to socialize really well. Is it necessary to play sports to enjoy them? The professional sports industry would collapse if that were a requirement!
Wow! What a great post! This is such a tough subject and I struggle with it too. Matthew is interested in all sports but not necessarilly talented in them but I figure I will keep taking him as long as I can. I do think it is good for them to learn the lessons sports provide. That and I am shallow and want the other boys to like them because they have some idea what they are doing. But I do agree with Jennifer, I don't know they have to be on every team to know about sports. I think with Scott as their dad they are going to have that knowledge. Oh, and I agree with Sarah too about your dad's genes!
I have one boy and have forced him to do every sport one season. I hate hate hate sports and all sports lessons. Right now he's super into golf because my boyfriend and his son are also, and his father will pay for it so it's working. Plus, in our family we do plays! Which Sol loves and does. Thus, my conclusion is the same as yours. I have no clue, just do what feels right at the time. But don't ALL Mormons boys have to play basketball because that's what they do on their missions?
Sometimes I feel happy my kids have no discernible sporting talent because I'm just not a good enough mom to support it. But maybe I would. And ballet is still a must for girls, piano for all!
BTW because of you saying it's OK to practice at 11 pm because they should practice every day darn it, they have practiced every day and I can see the difference! So thanks!
I'm no help on this one...
Just peeking in to catch up on one of my favorite blogs, and to tell you how much it meant to Jason and I to see you and Scott at Lacey's reception. Thank-you, thank-you for sharing that with us. <3
I have a son that doesn't do sports. At. All. Obviously, he has health reasons so the choice was made for him. Does he feel bad about it? Sometimes. BUT ITS BRIEF.
Does he relish the other things more like his musical talents and science abilities? You bet. For him, sports was not an issue. It couldn't be and it hasn't hurt him in the least.
ON THE OTHER HAND....I have another child, Alex, who was born to play somesort of ball. Actually every sport on the planet is his. His body was born for sports. I could see it in his frame when he was tiny. He was riding a scooter and doing jumps naturally at 2. For him, he chose sports. Himself. I actually had to step in and limit the amount of sports because they were taking over his life.
HE IS HAPPY I DID THIS, and in the end has found he LOVES football and basketball. They are his groove. He is also an AVID reader. No musical thing here.
Yes, I wished he played an instrament, but for him his music is in sports.
Bottom line: Do what your son feels in his heart. No matter what he does if he loves it, he will be happy. Trying new things is always awesome. Maybe he will find his niche in golf or fencing or tennis....who knows. Or maybe like my oldest that niche won't be there at all. And that is okay.
OK... I will give a Dude's view... Your description of rinky-dink baseball is the same way I feel about watching 5 year old girl's dance. I can totally relate to your view of being a guest in someone else's house when I am at a dance recital. There's not enough Aderall in the world to help me get through a two hour dance recital. But... It is good for my girls from a social, health, and work ethic perspective. The same drama and politics that exist in sports is at work every day at Clydie's. Why do some girls get to move up, while other's don't, even when their skills are the same or better? I never was good enough at sports to play in a comp league, but that is not what mattered. My best relationships and friends are people I play sports with. My favorite activities are being with my brothers and Dad watching a game. But... That is me. Freestone's best friends may be made in a band where he plays guitar. He may meet his wife in orchestra in college (1st chair, of course). I just think it is important that they are involved in something that forces them to be a little uncomfortable. I honestly believe no growth is possible until we are pushed outside our comfort zone. The bottom line is... You and Scott are amazing parents and all your littles are lucky to have you. Don't beat yourself up... Oh yeah... I honestly don't know if I have a better sports memory than Freestone on third base with his glove on his head and trying to catch a ball with his hat. Classic!
We have liked AYSO soccer- it's just one weekday practice and a game on Sat. and soccer is outside and there is lots of running and action- so it's great exercise and not too bad to watch. Their emphasis is on everybody playing and having fun. It has really helped my kids gain confidence and learn about teamwork.
I played a bunch of sports as a kid- cross country was by far the most beneficial to me and I only started that my junior year when I didn't make the high school soccer team.
I'll probably sign my boys up for basketball and soccer this year-- they want to try baseball- but it's so slow moving- not much action-- so I think we'll pass on that.
I think sports are good for boys-- they're just rough and different-- and it helps channel all that energy.
I think people confuse passing our passions on to our children because it is important to us, and our kids following their passions.
All these "life lesson" stuff comes from learning and mastering a new skill no matter what the skill is, dance, music, visual art, computers, science, etc. So no matter what activitiy it is or the motivation to do it, no one has to worry that a lesson will be skipped. People say all the time "if I leave it to my kids they will just play video games", but truly mastering computer skills is a lot more than "just playing video games" and the same life lessons will be learned from computer skills if one truly is going to master them that will be learned from playing basketball.
So as far as I can see the dilema is deciding whether it's a parental passion (like sport was from my dad to my brothers, it wasn't about "life skills" or my butt and Nikki's butts would have been in sports, sports were dads passion that he wanted to pass to his sons and he did, but it took a lot of time and effort on his part coaching, teaching rules, playing pick-up games, dragging the family to football/baseball etc. games to do that), or a personal passion.
If sports are Scott's passion (which they clearly are to Ryan and Jeff for their boys), just like dance/music is your passion and you are passing it on, then he probably needs to start getting on it, as it's clearly not your passion (mine either, which is why we spend more money and time in performance art which I'm passionate about than sports, 2 tickets to "Les Miserables" 3X as much as soccer, but Jake is stuck with a mom that is passionate about professional theater more than sports :) ).
Otherwise, if there is no other parent/family culture passion there are a lot of really cool (and not always just fun) things to learn about computers, game theory, etc. let him go that direction, instead of sports.
There are some great article on how important the stuff boys learn from video games is in later life (and how girls are at a huge disadvantage because they don't generally play as often).
It's all about balance, too much of any one thing is not good for anyone, but there is good stuff to be taught in mastering any skill, it doesn't HAVE to be sports or dance (I don't think any of your kids are in danger of sitting around all the time, or not getting physical activity), there are hundreds and thousands of other possibilities out there if those things aren't working for the boys.
I guess not everyone will agree, but the girls in our family seemed to develop a few life skills, and we didn't do sports, or dance. :)
Oh, and I still know all the rules, of almost any sport you can name, you can learn those things as spectators, or you know, not having any choice but to watch/go to thousands of sporting events.
Just like I'm bet Freestone has a pretty good working knowledge of a lot of dance stuff not having taken a single class.
That is just part of family time. :)
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